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breaky · Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: Selling arena points, good or bad

Hey, just wanted to open up a forum post on the recently writting article concerning selling arena points. Please feel free to respond and debate about the issue here, but try your best to keep it clean! Also, answer the poll and see how others feel on the issue as well.

The article link can be found here

Sarian · Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:13 am Post subject:

I don't mind teams that sell arena ratings for gold. Once the team who is actually paying to get the rating starts playing its just free points for my team. I'm o.k. with that.

Dr.Feelgood · Active Arena Contender Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 26

I see no problem with it at all, its totally legitamate imo. Teams of good players who got their rating high have found a way to make ridiculous amounts of money incredibly easily and benefit others in the process. The thing i love about the arena is that once everyone is in the best season gear it becomes as close to an even playing field as its going to get(you could go into debates on class imbalances but thats another argument in itself.) and the sooner that happens for more people, the better.

skel1977 · Top Arena Contender Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 113

I think its lame. You may as well pay some Asian kid in china to run arena for you. The whole point of the game is to improve your character. Not to have someone else do it for you.

CurtisKT · Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:37 am Post subject:

I dont have a problem with it. All I do is pvp, and taking time out to farm gold is boring and annoying. Why not cruise a 3v3 to 2k and sell it for 500 gold instead. It only takes one night anyway.

Plus I love it when some scrub team wastes their gold on a high rated team and we get matched with em' easily taking 50 points.

Give the scrubs a chance. If all they can do is farm gold, I dont see a problem with them essentially using their hard earned cash for some arena gear.

Plus, it adds more and more teams into the pool, and that just makes getting glad tags easier.

I love it.

Herreth · Active Arena Contender Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 34

But alot of these "Boosted arena teams" do they not mercilessly (im aware of the pun) rip away the points from the teams who worked hard and studied in order to become better.

It is quite saddening to just get stomped by two gladiators who wanted some Lolfast money, loosing the rating you had a really hard time getting.

I think theres a loosing side to it that definitely does not deserve it.
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skel1977 · Top Arena Contender Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 113

oh incase people missed it

Well to start we'll just let everyone know that the arena RATINGS (not the number of points they'll cost) required to purchase the season 3 items will be 1850 for the weapons, and 2000 for shoulders. The rating will not be required to continue using the item, only to initially purchase it.

Now, most people have expected the weapon rating since we announced it at BlizzCon, and it's a bit lower than we had initially said, but the shoulders are obviously going to raise some questions. The shoulders for any set are commonly the most visually representative, they're the most visible at any distance, and as they allow a lot of space compared to say a leg or bracer item, we commonly take them and really create something visually impressive. We want that visually impressive item to represent what a player has achieved, and so the achievement of being a contender in the arena at a higher level will be visually distinguished. The shoulders are also average in the benefit they provide, as compared to a chest or leg item for example, and without them the set bonuses can still be completed.

This raises the question of a player finding a team that is of a skill level higher than their own, and simply buying the item with points they've gained at a lower rating. To restrict this we're implementing a personal rating system in patch 2.3. This is an additional arena rating that is unique to each character for each team they belong to. This rating rises and declines using the same formula as the arena team rating, but only in games that character participates in. You'll also be able to track this rating through the PvP interface. The personal rating will be used for purchasing items that require a specific rating, and also be used to determine eligibility for the end of season rewards. So, a player will have to achieve a specific rating, and not just get into a team to see the rewards that are meant to visually distinguish the high-rated players.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778033729&pageNo=1&sid=1#10

Vallinam · Active Arena Contender Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 15

I don't like it. I don't think the people who do it are evil bad people (lol), but I can tell you from the perspective of getting started in the Arena it is disconcerting to pop into a game in the 1500 bracket and see 1 schlub well behind two guys with full Merc and Duelist/Gladiator over their head 3 games in a row. One of their guys has more resilence than your whole team. Kinda makes you want to punch something. And you still drop 15, 13, then 11 points before they get passed you.

The question is, is it allright to run hardworking (re: new to the game, rerolls, people switching mains) people down 35 rating points (or whatever) so you can get ran passed them? I don't think so.

I do not mind people selling whole teams as much. If you have a 2K team and you sell it outright to someone so they can leetch honor while the rating plummets every week, great. The rating will settle where it is supposed to, and you aren't abusing other players. But uber skill/gear boosting of players does hurt other players imo.

My 2 cents.

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kag · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject:

I see selling arena points in the same category as botting to GM/HWL.

It sorta ruins the point of arena, but i dont blame the people for selling them, only the buyers.

Herreth · Active Arena Contender Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 34

Jikate · Ten Games a Week Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 10

Sarentack · Top Arena Contender Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 108

I have to be against it looking at what goes in BG9, which is mostly foul play.

Narmo · One-hit Wonder Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 3

I see nothing wrong with selling arena points.

Please, let scrubs get their S2 gear faster so that when I own them, they cannot say scrubby remarks such as, "I'm not decked in S2.."

breaky · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:15 am Post subject:

The post has been ressurected!!!

Brodgar · Ten Games a Week Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 10

I posted this in the article you linked, but an easy fix for this I feel would be to use the personal rating introduced to combat the team selling issues decide how many arena points you get for the week, rather than the team rating.
You could still use team rating to decide rankings, point awards, end of season rewards etc, but the person raking in 1000+ arena points a week needs to have earned it, or at least been actively carried by 4 other people who do earn it Smile

In terms of whether it is fair or legitimate, the only issue I'd have with it is if a decked team rolled a new 1500 team and killed lots of casual/ not yet geared people as it could put them off continuing as they find it too hard, then again, I don't think they'd come across these point selling teams too regularly, and so is unlikely to have that effect.